[Mpls] lrt costs, delays, potential

[Allen]

I agree that picturing LA as anything but the opposite of a highly dense
urban area is hard to swallow.  But looking around, they are indeed one of
the most dense urban areas in the US.  For example, according the
anti-sprawl folks at Smart Growth America only New York City, Jersey City,
and San Franciso are more dense.


- Allen Graetz
Prospect Park



Smart Growth America
http://www.smartgrowthamerica.com/sprawlindex/chart.pdf

USA Today :
http://www.usatoday.com/news/sprawl/

The Los Angeles metropolitan area has a population of 16 million and seems
sprawling to many. But if the Atlanta metro area (pop. 3.8 million) had as
many people as Los Angeles and the same population density Atlanta has now,
it would occupy many more square miles than Los Angeles does.

That point is reflected in the sprawl index scores for the two metros. Los
Angeles has a score of 78, which is even lower than metropolitan New York's
(82), which is known for its skyscraper-studded downtown. Atlanta has a
sprawl index score of 392.

Thoreau Institute :
http://www.ti.org/citydata.xls


-----Original Message-----
From: mpls-bounces at mnforum.org [mailto:mpls-bounces at mnforum.org] On Behalf
Of Jeff Rosenberg
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 11:48 AM
To: mpls at mnforum.org
Subject: Re: [Mpls] lrt costs, delays, potential

Bruce Gaarder 
>Los Angeles, [one of?] the most densely populated urbanized areas . . .
(Me: this is how I assume the quote was meant to read)

That's enough of a quote for me. Stop. Enough. Los Angeles is not even
CLOSE to being one of the most densely populated urbanized areas.

>Look also at what goes on in the rest of the world.  Visit
>http://www.demographia.com/rac-ix.htm for a sample.

It starts getting suspicious after a while. Do any of you anti-transit
people care to sight any other source than Peter O'Toole? Maybe it's just
me, but his work seems just a tad biased. It also seems that, if you can't
give me a source other than Peter O'Toole or Ken Avidor, maybe there isn't
actually so much data to back up your claims.

Please, if you have it . . . hit me.

--Jeff Rosenberg
Cedar/Riverside
. . . Let them ride cake.


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