[Mpls] Minneapolis Taxpayers: This time, sharpen your minds
David Brauer
david at tcq.net
Fri Jul 30 11:01:46 CDT 2004
On Jul 30, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Victoria Heller wrote:
>
> Man, it's like talking to a brick wall.
I'm sure the feeling is mutual, but that's not the issue here.
> I'll try to make this simple.
>
> Moving businesses from old offices to new offices does NOT GROW YOUR=20=
> TAX
> BASE. Get it?
Yes. But it's not JUST old into new, no net gain. Downtown's office=20
capacity and long-term value are clearly up. So it's a long-term NET=20
GAIN. The old buildings lose value, but the long-term value of the new=20=
far outweighs that.
There's nothing in isolating a few losers to give you the overall=20
picture.
> New buildings with higher taxes doesn't help if existing buildings'=20
> taxes
> are dropping like rocks. Get it?
Yes. But if the tax gains from the new buildings outweigh the drops,=20
then you GAIN. And since we're having this discussion at the bottom of=20=
a market cycle, things look just fine long-term.
> Under-assessing ANY buildings HURTS all taxpayers and starves the=20
> budget.
> Get it?
Yes, but you've never really addressed how businesses should be=20
assessed. NO ONE assesses based on selling price - until a building is=20=
sold. There are also rules for making assessments (which is why=20
business owners go to court all the time).
You've shown zip, nada that the rules aren't being followed. The=20
concept that selling price =3D previous assessed value just is just=20
wrong; no one works that way.
> You need MORE businesses and MORE people and accurate tax assessments.=20=
> Get
> it?
Yup, and only pointing out the isolated explainable drops doesn't speak=20=
to MORE or LESS overall. You need to look at the pluses AND minuses =97=20=
which is my point.
You can't look at $315 million of new value and $13 million of new=20
property taxes and complain about a building that lost a few million in=20=
value (at the bottom of a market trough).
Let's look at the totality and the long-term and then we can make a=20
rational judgment. Until then, emotion, frustration and hectoring will=20=
betray our logic.
David Brauer
Kingfield=
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