[Mpls] smoking ban

[Rick Norby]

Jim,

I do stay out of smoky bars whenever possible. I also love our local 
music scene which is all too often restricted to smoky bars. Should I 
just exclude myself from these places because of offensive and 
unhealthy second hand smoke?

I also thought that the efforts to legalize hemp for agriculture was 
related to it's many "nonsmoking" uses.

Rick



On Wednesday, June 2, 2004, at 01:51  PM, gemgram wrote:

> I have been waiting for an appeal of my "ban" from the List, before
> continuing to post, but just could not resist Eddie Felien's post. I 
> guess
> when you are addicted it truly is hard to resist temptation.
>
> Eddie should consider not putting his butt where someone is already 
> swinging
> his or her foot. I wonder if Eddie, and others so up on smoking bans in
> bars, have ever thought to stop going into the bars where smoking is
> allowed?  I do not remember reading in the Southside Pride, or on the
> Minneapolis Issues, where Eddie Felien was forcibly dragged into a bar
> against his will and then made to breathe "Second Hand" smoke. Not 
> having
> read either for a while, I have maybe missed something?
>
> Recently some friends and I went into Mac's Bar, (best deal on a steak 
> in
> town) to have a steak and a diet coke or scotch as we might choose.  We
> found the bar was really smoky, because it was already filled with 
> (can I
> say it in public) SMOKERS.  We turned right around and left to go to a
> different restaurant and bar. Amazing how easy that worked. We simply 
> chose
> to put our butts somewhere where there was not already a "foot 
> swinging".
>
> I was amused by the discussion of talks with Jesus and God.  I am told 
> Jesus
> once instructed us that "he without sin throw the first stone". 
> Perhaps in
> this situation it might be "he without addiction, habit, or desire, 
> throw
> the first 'Ban'."  I seem to remember Mr. Felien advocating for 
> changing the
> ban on cannabis farming.  I also wonder how many others enjoy coffee;
> sugared, or caffinated, and carbonated pop; or offensive music (rap at 
> any
> sound level is offensive to me, and may cause violent behavior in 
> some);
> etc.  Such things might harm those who choose to use them, and damage 
> others
> from simply being around the users. Personally, however, I have 
> problems
> with the government banning any of these things.  How would some of 
> the ban
> supporters feel if it were decreed from the 'Mount City Hall' that all
> restaurant owners MUST allow smoking, since it is a legal substance?  
> Same
> powers of government and license, I would think?
>
> So Eddie and others who do not like smoky bars, why don't you just 
> CHOOSE to
> stay the hell out of them.  Let's control smoking in public spaces so 
> Eddie
> does not have to breathe it in a public place.   And who ever is 
> forcing
> Eddie to breathe it, please stop!  If the City owns a bar, or if one 
> exists
> in an area where you do not have to go through doors to get into it, 
> then I
> will fully support a ban in such an establishment.  Let's even enforce 
> a ban
> on drinking in public places.  Heck, I personally would even support a 
> total
> ban on tobacco, before I would support a ban on a legal substance and 
> legal
> activity within a privately owned establishment.
>
> If you do not like smoking Eddie, just STOP doing it.  A lot of us 
> have done
> that.  And stop associating with those who do, and stop going into
> businesses that allow smoking tobacco.  Wow, personal freedom and 
> choice,
> what a concept! Of course some people just sometime wake up in a 
> smoking
> bar.  Without any memory of how they got there!  I only used that 
> excuse
> once with my wife.  Did not work that time either, so I would advise 
> against
> it.
>
> So Eddie, please stop backing into other people's feet on purpose, it 
> takes
> the shine off of someone's shoe.
>
> Jim Graham,
> Minneapolis' Sixth Ward
>
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