[bcc][faked-from][heur][bayes] Re: [bcc][faked-from][bayes] [Mpls] Re: Smoking Bans, fascism, andillicit drugs

[Jennifer L. Rubenzer]

Is it so easy for everyone to ignore Dan's argument that we are NOT
talking about public property.  A smoking ban on private businesses is
the equivalent of the government marching into our homes and telling us
what we will be eating that night...or to many of our posters chagrin -
whom we should be sleeping with.  

We're talking about private businesses and personal choice.  How many
pro-choice posters do we have out there.  How many in favor of a local
cigarette ban would also be in favor of a local abortion ban?  

Now that's something I could get behind!!! 


Jennifer Rubenzer
Plymouth

-----Original Message-----
From: mpls-bounces at mnforum.org [mailto:mpls-bounces at mnforum.org] On
Behalf Of Chris Johnson
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 6:08 PM
To: mpls at mnforum.org
Subject: [bcc][faked-from][heur][bayes] Re: [bcc][faked-from][bayes]
[Mpls] Re: Smoking Bans, fascism, andillicit drugs

Jennifer L. Rubenzer wrote:
> As any good Catholic would say...AAAAAAmen! (well, except for the drug
> references)
> 
> Thanks Dan!
> Plymouth Non-smoker,
> Jennifer Rubenzer 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mpls-bounces at mnforum.org [mailto:mpls-bounces at mnforum.org] On
> Behalf Of Dan
> "Hey, bars would be safer, and less stinky if they didn't serve that
pesky 
> alchohol, too (don't laugh Malaysia just banned alchohol in bars) And,

> alchohol is way more deadly and destructive than tobacco. Look at the
great
> harm done to thousands and thousands of families by alchoholism."
> Dan McGrath
> Longfellow


First to Jennifer:  do not presume to speak for all good Catholics when
you 
support Dan's arguments.  My Catholic family happens to disagree with
you 100%.

Now to the primary reason I'm posting at all on this subject.  Once
again, 
someone is making the completely false and totally inaccurate claim that

"alcohol is way more deadly and destructive than tobacco."  Sorry, it
just is 
not so.  Last time this topic got lots of play, I and others posted
numerous 
references which provided tobacco is far more harmful from a death,
disease 
and monetary cost perspective than alcohol is.

I'm not going to spend the time to research it all over again and find 
references to prove what I just said, but I suggest any reader who is
unsure 
go look through the Issues list archives and find them.

However, just as quick for-instance:  according to the Centers for
Disease 
Control, the leading causes for death in 2000 were:

1. Tobacco                     435,500 deaths, 18.1% of total US deaths
2. Poor diet/lack of exercise: 400,000 deaths, 16.6%
3. Alcohol consumption:         85,000 deaths,  3.5%
4. Microbial agents             75,000 deaths
5. Toxic agents                 55,000 deaths
6. Motor vehicle crashes        43,000 deaths
7. Firearms related             29,000 deaths
8. Sexual behaviors             20,000 deaths
9. Illicit drug use             17,000 deaths


Chris Johnson, Fulton

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