[Winona] Property Taxes Over Last Four Years: Star Tribune Article

Kelly Herold kherold at winona.edu
Thu Oct 19 14:25:12 CDT 2006 

I am not arguing for luxury taxes ­ but fair taxes.  Tax breaks for the
super rich seems to create few jobs.

Tax relief to small businesses and the middle class does create jobs ­ as
demonstrated to the fairer tax days of the early to mid 90¹s.


On 10/19/06 1:10 PM, "Glen Schumann" <gschuman at hbci.com> wrote:

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> It might be useful to remember what happened when Congress decided to go after
> the rich with a tax on luxury yachts.  It was called "unemployment" for those
> working in yacht building and their suppliers.
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> Glen Schumann
> Winona, MN
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>>  From: winona-bounces at mnforum.org  [mailto:winona-bounces at mnforum.org] On
>> Behalf Of  Bothuns
>> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:01 AM
>> To:  'Kelly Herold'; 'E Democracy'
>> Subject: RE: [Winona] Property Taxes  Over Last Four Years: Star Tribune
>> Article
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>> ³the  super rich may not create many jobs but do create  some.²
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>> I think this is one of those  statements that most people have been convinced
>> is probably true, but again,  I¹m not so sure.  Does the money spent by the
>> super rich create the same  number of jobs as it would if that amount of
>> money were spent by a larger  group of simply well-to-do people, or average
>> people?   I just read  an article a few days ago about a $20 million dollar
>> diamond-frosted wedding  cake.   You gotta believe they are ways to spend $20
>> million that  would create more jobs than a single wedding cake.
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>> I suspect that a similar amount  of money being spent by a larger group of
>> people would result in the purchase  of a greater number of lower priced
>> products and the creation of more  jobs.  The siphoning-off of large sums of
>> money into a few hands may just  cause a net decrease in jobs.   I¹d love to
>> argue this point with  someone who can cite research on the matter.  I¹ve
>> seen plenty of  theories but not much data.
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>> Bryon
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>> From: Kelly  Herold [mailto:kherold at winona.edu]
>> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:13  AM
>> To: Bothuns; 'E  Democracy'
>> Subject: Re:  [Winona]  Property Taxes Over Last Four Years: Star Tribune
>> Article
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>> Byron,
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>> Fair enough ­ the  super rich may not create many jobs but do create some.
>> However in the  U.S. small businesses create around  80% of all jobs.  And
>> yet these small business owner get few of the break  large corporations do.
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>> Kelly
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>> On 10/18/06 6:28 PM, "Bothuns"  <bcbothun at hbci.com> wrote:
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>> ³Some would  argue that the super rich create jobs and I agree.²
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>> Not me.   Consumers create jobs, plain and simple. The owners of places like
>> Wal  Mart didn¹t become ³Super Rich² by creating jobs.  They did it by
>> eliminating jobs, or paying lower wages for them.  Corporations love to  hold
>> our jobs hostage for a ransom of tax loopholes, but they need access to  our
>> buying power more than we need the benefits of their ³business acumen².
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>> How many jobs do you think would get shipped overseas if  those companies had
>> to keep the resulting products over there with them? The  super rich need us.
>> We¹d be just fine without them.
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>> Bryon  Bothun
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>> From:  winona-bounces at mnforum.org [mailto:winona-bounces at mnforum.org]
>> <mailto:winona-bounces at mnforum.org%5d>   On Behalf Of Kelly  Herold
>> Sent: Wednesday,  October 18, 2006 7:53 AM
>> To:  LindaF; E Democracy
>> Subject:  Re: [Winona]  Property Taxes Over Last Four Years: Star Tribune
>> Article
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>> Cost of living and inflation eat  up many of our taxes ­ but to be honest the
>> tax breaks given to the top 1% of  our citizenship is the price we all pay.
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>> In Minnesota alone around  25,000 folks making 300,000 or more have realized
>> an overall tax decrease  while those in the shrinking middle class have seen
>> a tax increase. 
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>> The fee based initiatives also shift much of the tax burden to  the middle
>> class.  
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>> When CEO are retiring with 100+ million  packages and other compensation
>> sweatheart deals the middle class continues to  work itself to death.
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>> Some would argue that the super rich create jobs  and I agree.  But the
>> overall job creation, are over the past decade,  undeniably moving towards
>> less paying, low benefit service jobs.  The  productivity realize by industry
>> can be attributed to mainly two things ­  increased hours of current workers
>> and shipping jobs overseas.
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>> As a  result ­ the shared cost of sky rocketing health care, inflated
>> housing, and  unfair tax burden continues to
>> erode the back bone of America, Minnesota and small communities like Winona.
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>> Kelly
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>> On 10/18/06 6:47  AM, "LindaF" <lbfort at ridge-runner.com> wrote:
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>> While I  don't doubt your numbers are correct I don't think you are comparing
>> apples to  apples.
>> My daughter and son in law live in Onalaska.  I am going to  look at her tax
>> statement the next time I am at her house.   I  believe they are paying
>> higher taxes in Wisconsin because more is taken out of that fund for  various
>> projects than in Minnesota.
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>> Linda  Fort
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>> While I know that residential property  taxes have gone up, especially  last
>> year with the school referendum,  please keep in mind that homestead
>> property taxes in Minnesota are less  than half on a comparably valued home
>> in  LaCrosse. I checked the  LaCrosse  County web site this  morning and a
>> house  valued at $183,000 had taxes of $4,700. A house in  Winona at that
>> value  carried a 2006 property tax of just less than  $2,000.
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>> My  point--While the increases sure seem to be a bad  trend, it could always
>> be   worse.
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>> Stephen Hacken
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>> Winona County  Assessor
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